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The Joyous Justice Podcast
The Joyous Justice Podcast is for kind, committed professionals, leaders, and spiritually-inclined folks who want to cultivate resilience, deepen their impact, and co-create justice with clarity and joy.
Leadership isn’t just about action—it’s about mindfulness, healing, wise discernment, and the courage to radically reimagine what’s possible and necessary.
If you’re ready to shift from navigating challenges in default stress mode to cultivating your capacity to increasingly lead with intentional power and co-creative wisdom, tune in!
Hosted by award-winning Black & Cherokee Jewish social justice leader and certified coach, Kohenet April Nichole Baskin.
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The Joyous Justice Podcast
Ep 19: Jews Talk Black Lives Matter
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April and Tracie investigate the ways arguing against the adopted slogans of justice movements, for instance #BlackLivesMatter or #DefundThePolice, distracts us from the work of advancing justice, and often contains implicit or explicit racism.
Find April and Tracie's full bios and submit topic suggestions for the show at www.JewsTalkRacialJustice.com
Learn more about April’s work at Joyous Justice: https://joyousjustice.com/
Read more of Tracie's thoughts at bmoreincremental.com
Resources:
It was Toni Morrison (not Maya Angelou) who described distraction as a function of racism: "The very serious function of racism … is distraction. It keeps you from doing your work. It keeps you explaining, over and over again, your reason for being. Somebody says you have no language and so you spend 20 years proving that you do. Somebody says your head isn’t shaped properly so you have scientists working on the fact that it is. Somebody says that you have no art so you dredge that up. Somebody says that you have no kingdoms and so you dredge that up. None of that is necessary." Read the full transcript of the 1975 speech in which she said these words.
Read more about "Defund the Police" and the arguments about the phrase here as well as from the Brookings Institution.
Listen to Tracie's appearance on On the Record with Sheilah Kast from July, 2019.
Michael Che on Black Lives Matter
Robin DiAngelo's book White Fragility
According to a nationwide 2020 survey of Millennials and GenZ, conducted by the Conference on Jewish Material Claims Against Germany (Claims Conference), 11 percent of respondents believe that Jews caused the Holocaust.
Discussion and reflection questions:
- What in this episode is new for you? What have you learned and how does it land?
- What is resonating? What is sticking with you and why?
- What, if anything feels hard? What is challenging or on the edge for you?
- If relevant. what feelings and sensations are arising as you reflect on themes from this episode, and where in your body do you feel them?
- What key insights or strategies are you carrying forward and how do you want to weave them into your living and/or leadership?